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		<title>Nothing Matters?</title>
		<link>http://www.longstraighthighway.com/2008/09/25/scott-bakker-and-neurology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>houlios</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just discovered this interview with Scott Bakker, author of one of the three greatest fantasy epics of all time, The Prince of Nothing, as well as Neuropath, a near-future pyscho-thriller.  In the interview Bakker mentions having had an email exchange with Richard K. Morgan  regarding &#8220;the nihlistic implications of modern neuroscience.&#8221; Bakker says: There&#8217;s going to be people who deny this stuff come hell [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered this <a href="http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/06/12/075919.php" target="_blank">interview</a> with <a id="ch0n" title="Scott Bakker" href="http://www.princeofnothing.com/">Scott Bakker</a>, author of one of the three greatest fantasy epics of all time, <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Nothing" target="_blank">The Prince of Nothing,</a></em> as well as <a id="n0bu" title="Neuropath" href="http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2008/03/neuropath.html">Neuropath</a>, a near-future pyscho-thriller.  In the interview Bakker mentions having had an email exchange with <a id="v1q1" title="Richard K. Morgan" href="http://www.longstraighthighway.com/wp/2008/09/13/the-essence-of-noir/">Richard K. Morgan</a>  regarding &#8220;the nihlistic implications of modern neuroscience.&#8221; Bakker says:</p>
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<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s going to be people who deny this stuff come hell or high water, just as there&#8217;s people who can&#8217;t abide evolution or the heliocentric solar system. Truth be told, I&#8217;m one of them. I believe there has to be something to my experience of free will, but all the credible evidence is piling up on the other side, and I&#8217;m not going to pretend otherwise. All I can do is stomp my foot and say, &#8220;No! It just can&#8217;t be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because if it is, then nothing fucking matters.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why &#8220;nothing fucking matters&#8221; just because the stew of chemicals in your brain determines all the decisions you&#8217;re going to make. I happen to agree with Richard K. Morgan, whom Bakker paraphrases and responds to as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>He says he&#8217;s okay with the illusoriness of it all, so long as the illusion functions the way he needs it to function. My answer was that this was like having a wife who sleeps around town, but being okay so long as she goes through the spousal motions at home. For me, the first function of this rich, wondrous, experiential life I lead, is that it be true.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I don&#8217;t get this.  How are Bakker&#8217;s &#8220;rich, wondrous&#8221; life experiences untrue?  </p>
<p>No one else has a brain with your unique neuroprint, nor have they had the exact same experiences as you, so what exactly is the profound difference between &#8220;free will&#8221; (whatever that means) and the complex interaction between the chemicals in your head and your experiences?  And why are so many people bothered by this?</p>
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		<title>Morality everywhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the spirit of the other day&#8217;s entry on the differences between conservatives and liberals, which is really about the differences in how people think, and why some people appear to insist on thinking with some part of their bodies other than their brains, comes this nice discussion, with abundant links, on taking a neuroscience [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the spirit of the other day&#8217;s entry on the differences between conservatives and liberals, which is really about the differences in how people think, and why some people appear to insist on thinking with some part of their bodies other than their brains, comes <a href="http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2008/09/political_bias_in_th.html">this nice discussion</a>, with abundant links, on taking a neuroscience slant to those same questions.</p>
<p>Articles within articles within articles!  A sample:</p>
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The piece riffs on a recent study published in Science that reported that conservatives show greater skin conductance and higher blink rates to threatening images than liberals, indicating higher levels of arousal.</p>
<p>This was widely interpreted as suggesting conservatives are more fearful than liberals. Although the study didn&#8217;t ask about fear directly, both blinking and sweating have been linked to elevated fear responses before.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>These interpretations are interesting, because they immediately make a value judgement about whether the fear response is appropriate or not. As the Slate piece notes, another interpretation is that liberal participants were less emotionally responsive.
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<p>If you&#8217;ve read, listened to, or thought about the Heidt results, this isn&#8217;t any surprise, really: if you have different moral axioms that guide your interpretation of the world, then you&#8217;re going to have different physiological responses to stimuli that push those moral buttons.  Even so, this is a nice overview for the increasingly-mythical Person Who Gives A Shit.</p>
<p>From a completely surprising direction comes <a href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/09/probably-not-st.html">this piece</a> on sort of the same idea.  Seth Godin&#8217;s blog is usually about business and marketing and having good ideas so you won&#8217;t have to have some suckass job to pay the rent but rather some tremendous job that will allow you to blossom like the beautiful flower that you are.  (I&#8217;m trying to work in a burn on DDB, who I like to think about as &#8220;blossoming into a beautiful flower&#8221; but I can&#8217;t think of anything.)</p>
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Every person makes decisions based on their worldview and the data at hand. If two people have the same worldview and the same data, they&#8217;ll make the same decision, every time (unless they&#8217;re stupid.)</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>In my experience, a closed-minded worldview (&#8220;I can&#8217;t read that book, I disagree with it&#8221;) is the most difficult hurdle to overcome. But a closed-minded worldview doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re stupid, it means that you are selling yourself and your colleagues and your community short.
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<p>There must be something in the air; everybody&#8217;s beating around the edge of this idea.  Godin is talking about business, so you can forgive him for using the language of change.  He&#8217;s asking: what do we have to do to change this guy&#8217;s worldview?  That&#8217;s fine for business, which is quantifiably successful or not, and whose DNA can be discussed as if there were some Right Answer.  (Sort of.  Not really, but let&#8217;s not complicate things.)  But for people, is it &#8220;right&#8221; to avenge your father&#8217;s murder by killing the guy who knifed him, even if that guy has a wife and kids who will have no means of support if you do?</p>
<p>On a side note, the game Ultima VI, which was released &#8230; in 1990, I think, created your character in just this way.  It asked you a bunch of difficult questions, and forced you to come up with a moral hierarchy for your character.  I stole that &#8220;avenge your father&#8221; question directly from the game.  Wes will doubtless be glad to hear of an example of games being considerably MORE morally sophisticated than culture.</p>
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